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If you're on a break after drawing and feel like sharing what's on your mind about what you're working on, the industry, things that excite you about art, or anything that frustrates you about drawing or the process of art then grab a cup of water and chill out here. Remember to keep discussion on-topic as much as possible.Previous: https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7105220
>>7148132that's a natural consequence of anons being too hostile to each other and arguing in bad faithif you can't give or take critique, the only thing left is to simply post drawings and shitpost (and for most only the latter)
>>7148132last time this board was a crit board was like 2011
>Make shit beg tier art>get showered with praise
>>7148149I will never understand how the fuck nodraws see the world I just gave up trying to understand why so many good artists on socials die alone while so many shitters get popular I would even think that's like... a uglier drawing is better because they relate to the artist being "one of us", but that's fucking impossible ...right?
>>7148132Crab central is 70% discord worms baiting and fighting their retarded secret war, 25% average/terrible artists venting their frustrations by lashing out at everything outside their micro community generals, and 5% what this board should be actually about
If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Finding refs at this angle is hard, I always have trouble with the shoulders from above>>7148147place the original image on the canvas, lower transparency and put your drawing on top of it, don't fret too much if its not perfect, just try to get sizes more or less right. it looks fine, keep doing studies
Really struggling with the backgrounds :/ any tips and criticism appreciated
>>7148154I feel no sense of danger. Putting in shadows and appropriate lighting matching the mood could go a long way
>>7148147your torso doesn't seem long enough compared to the reference
>>7148147Try to focus on the shapes made in the negative space in reference to the rest of the body (like those small triangles made by the leg and arm)
Is it really worth becoming a perspective autist like this? Or should I just "feel it out, bro", with a lot of figure drawing and stuff?I have like 50 gigs of Krenz courses from the video course thread, and I'm wondering if I should even bother seriously studying this crap, or if I should just move on and draw what I like.
>>7148100it's not an option, if you want to be good at drawing you must learn perspective
>I have like 50 gigs of Krenz courses from the video course thread, and I'm wondering if I should even bother seriously studying this crap, or if I should just move on and draw what I like.You downloaded it with no intention of actually using it? Fucking moron. You're stupid as fuck.
>>7148107This. What you're looking at that sketch sheet, it's not a tutorial or a process, it is the result of having that skill. Do you want that? Then you will have to fight for it and pay the price. It's not a "money price", it's time and effort. Becoming an art chad is not a walk in the park.
>>7148100All that perspective is eyeballed, and it's the kind of perspective you will use regularly.If you think that's a "perspective autist" then, yes, you should study perspective more.
>>7148100lol you think this is perspective autism? these are just basic drawing skills
A lot of AI tech bros using generative AI relish in pointing out that generative AI will replace the visual artist. I was wondering if this was true it least from a commercial perspective and actually found out that hollywood and big studios are firing AI prompters and hiring artists back again. The reason? They can't produce the same quality of work that real artists can, they don't take critique well at all (are very thin-skinned) They can't reproduce works in a same general style that real artists can, etc. the list goes on and on. It seems that there is still a commercial need for talented artists that have trained in this field.Even for hobbyists, why shit on them as well? Do they really not see the value in what an artist brings? Perhaps it's more nuanced than that. I've used AI to help guide my drawing process like getting specific poses for references or even aiding in costume design ideas. However, my final works are drawn completely by me. I think there's a place for real artists to actually use AI like a tool and not have it replace creatives entirely
>>7148068>he seeks assistanceWho doesn't?
>>7148075me. I don't use waterwings when I swim.
>>7148092Most people play around in the shallow end before testing the deep.
>>7148101nah, jump in, grab handfuls of water and pull it towards yourself.
>>7147957If you can remove "why" from all your thoughts anon, you'll figure it out.
I got a positive response so here's the first thread for studying Figure Drawing for All It's Worth by Andrew Loomis. Here's a basic schedule for the first chapter, but feel free to ignore it and work at your own pace. A schedule for the rest of the book will be discussed later.Start by reading the first 32 pages. Don't worry about copying the drawings yet. Pay attention to the basic proportions pages. When you're done, got to page 38.Pages 38-49: 2 weeks. Take your time learning the mannequin. Try drawing it in various poses. Pages 50-56: 1 weekThen spend 1 week going back and studying the pages that were skipped.Don't just copy! Try redrawing Loomis' drawings from memory after your initial copy, and take note of what you got wrong. Apply what you've learned to photo reference and try inventing figures from imagination.The book:https://files.catbox.moe/d2501d.pdfAnd here's some refs:https://files.catbox.moe/7246sw.zipGood luck!
>>7145294>>7146396nice. I see your mannikins are already a bit more fleshed out than the first ones too, they look good
Do you guys try to copy Loomis line for line?
>>7147908When I do my copy pass, yes, aiming for 80% or so accuracy (I overlay his drawing over mine afterwards to check). When doing memory pass, I'm content if the proportions look fine and the "idea" of the pose is captured, I don't care if maybe one of my arms is in a slightly different pose, or if I drew every single line he used for the clavicles or w/e.
>>7147936>I overlay his drawing over mine afterwards to checkAre you drawing digitally or trad?
>>7145152if all you do is study the way people say you should, you're signing up to live inside "tutorial hell."I don't know you anon but something tells me you'll do better if you drop the tutorials and start looking at what makes drawing worthwhile.It sure as shit isn't "doing things the right way" if the right way isn't "your way."If I had to "study" before I played dark souls all the time I'd lose my fucking mind.If I wasn't allowed to just learn as I go and do my own troubleshooting and collecting feedback from whoever-the-fuck, I'd blow my fucking brains out.What I fucking love about drawing is tuning the fuck out of a boring-ass lecture in class to literally have fun with a pencil. That includes Andrew Fuckface Loomis's ways: I know what fun is and I don't need some old dipshit from 1940 to tell me how to have it.
I'm trying to learn perspective but almost no resource I find gives a formal, mathematical approach, which I seek to develop intuition properly.In this case, I want to rotate this cube by its vertical axis from the angle in red at 45 degrees to the angle in blue, I know where the new diagonal should lie, but I don't know how to keep the scale of the cube consistent, I don't know where to cut the line to get the cube to be the same size but in perspective. Does anyone here know how? I really don't understand either the reasoning for measuring the distance between a vanishing point and a station point and then drawing it over the horizon. I see it works but I don't know why.
>>7147785>I really don't understand either the reasoning for measuring the distance between a vanishing point and a station point and then drawing it over the horizon. I see it works but I don't know why.anon, you have to view it from top-down to better understand why it works. imagine a circle of arbitrary size around the station point (purple), the measuring point is the vanishing point of a chord (green) that connects a radius (blue) that is parallel to the picture plane with another radius (red) that converges to said vanishing point. it is useful because it lets you convert a known length (because it is flat against the picture plane) to one that converges to a vanishing point.
>>7148095picrel might help show why finding the MP is a simple matter of transferring the SP-VP distance to the HL
>>7148095>>7148121I think I get it now. So they make similar triangles. The triangle I make from the station point will have a similar counterpart on the plane. Since I am forming an arc that will have a consistent radius, the radius that I choose will have the chosen length when it intersects with the VP line. The importance of drawing the MP arc from the station point is to keep the relationship between that VP to the rest, right?
>>7148143if you have a drafting compass then an arc/circle is just a convenient way to copy lengths while explicitly indicating the relationship. strictly speaking its not necessary, but might be helpful to not confuse yourself while you are constructing.
>>7148006Eric Olsen's lecturesWhat he's basically saying is the only way to learn things in depth is to pay for it, right?
>young artist follows me>asks me for advice and tutorials>I link him unhelpful DA-tier tutorials and give him platitudes that'll stunt his development>he asks for refs>I tell him I don't have any (I actually have 20gigs) and just to use google images>report all the uploaded resources I can find to try to get them taken downWho else /crab/? I'm not going to apologize, art is a zero sum game where only a small percentage of people will be able to make it. There's a finite number of industry jobs and patreon bux to milk, the less people that make it the better it is for the rest of us.
>>7143944Proko was just born in the wrong timeline
>>7146292how much do you make? post your bank balance or BTFO
>>7143018It will be funny when he inevitably draws better than you simply because he's humble enough to ask for help and eager to learn
Look who got some time off! >x3>>7148111Bank balance?You don't invest?Are you actually that poor? what i was expecting>pyw>crabby>zero sum scarcity mindset>no one helped me when i was learning abloobloo>i had to suffer now u have to suffer abooobooooooComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7148153>art directorsah sorry, by the sound of it, you've never worked at a studio either!Or trained noobs with a manager breathing down your neck!Or done literally anything other than "work on my personal pwojects."
Retweets do mean everything
>>7147800>If you hear about drawing furries with diapers, the first thought is "ew, that shit sucks" but if the artist says someone paid 600 dollar for a one piece, and shows you his paypal, your perspective immediately changes.I wish Mike Rowe would do a segment on soiled diaper furry art commission artists before going on Fox News and saying, "That's called opportunity, and opportunity is what America is all about."
>>7147470The point is, if your art looks like shit, a retweet won't help you. Work on yourself first.
>>7148089if you get followers and retweets, it isn't a measure of your skill.
>>7148089I’m getting recommended a whole lot of garbage artists literally /beg/ qualifying and they’re getting at least 30 - 100 likes.
>>7148089My beg shit has gotten 500 to 1k likes at times from retweets Social media clout is not a measure of skill
>complainingedition>What is /fag/?This is the Furry Art General thread, here we post everything related to kemono, furry, and animals alike.>Rules & GuidelinesPlease refrain from flaming, causing drama or replying/feeding those who cause such.This is a SFW thread only, please take caution so you don't get BANNED for posting NSFW art.This general is NOT and NEVER will be affiliated with any discord servers, DO NOT click any of the discord links that are spammed here!As always, don't be afraid to ask for critique!>Resourceshttps://www.lackadaisycats.com/ishkabibble.phphttps://x6ud.github.io/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7147865I'm 20 and I remember YTMNDIt's not that old
>>7147867I don't know why, but it warms my heart to know that YTMND was somehow a multi-generational thing.
>>7147396I didn't know this was a girl. :flushed:>>7147387Also 34 here. Kind of embarrassing to learn how to draw at my age, but I got nothing else going on, because the world is a fuck.
>>7147867nta but the only reason i recognize that initialism is because it linked to my website. the fuck is it? is it like icanhascheezburger?
>>7147867Neither are you, you fuckin' BABY
Why You Should Copy Anime:https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpgNaoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw**Strive for quantity AND quality.**Anime Studying:>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
we bluearchive now
I've been drawing girls for a long time and now i don't know how to draw mens anymore. Where can i learn how to draw cool male characters (that satisfies a male audience, not fujoshit) and can (You) recommend me some artists good at drawing males? Be it boys, teens or adults
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>>7148113straight out of my nightmares, good job anon
>>7148047go draw dbz characters
HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW HORSES
front
>>7139341yeah no
eating grass
>>7115263Is this a deftones reference?!
>>7146895No
I will never draw like this and it pains me deeply
>>7148032You will get there eventually. Keep at it and don't stop. OP Picrel is very achievable but work on your own thing first with no style in mind (for now).
>>7148029you wont photobash some 3d models from clip studio together? the horror. the horror.
hire assistants
>>7148029theres nothing special to it though its just hatching dont give up anon
>>7148096bait or mental retardation
I want to (eventually) sell my art as NFTs in one or more marketplace, in a blockchain.Such art can be purchased by people for artistic and/or financial appreciation.It will also be physical and digital at the same timeIs this wrong in your view for any reason? If yes, why?(Remember to make better arguments than your average basedtuber, thank you)>Assume the environment impact is negligible. Less than 4chan's impact, for example>"Hahahaha show me example of X artist selling good art as NFTs then!">I can't, this would probably be considered as "spam" and thus get me banned by the local janny>I already got banned once thanks to this board, am risking another but I am dreadfully curious>Thank you for reading this post
>>7143477>>7143693>>7145171these words too
>>7143393>I addressed both, what exactly did I say that wasn't on topic?You (kinda) went off-topic because I specifically asked for reasons to why it is wrong, I'm implying morality or purely on a "how you feel" level >(since I do not believe practical arguments, all anti-NFT sentiments come from a gatekeeping/irrational point of view. Yes, you might not succeed financially but the same could happen from a non-crypto financial point of view AKA galleries and/or regular sales)>Possibly, we'll have to wait and see. Personally, I'm far more optimistic, and think AI is more limited than we think. The problems with artists 'not making it' have been around well before AI came along. Art is a dream job, and such jobs are very competitive.I do not see an optimistic near-future reality, which is why I see selling your art as NFTs will become a need from a financial point of view.As a matter of fact, the art world has been involved with financial/rich speculators for a looooong time.There is nothing new about it, at all.Example: The Medici Family during the Renaissance.In reality, adding financial speculative value to artwork might become a necessity for even the regular "successful" artist out there, just to stay afloat financially.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7143393>I'm talking about hobbyists, who also usually title themselves artists. Clearly there is a difference between a hobbyist and someone actively pursuing full time art. Including them would heavily skew the data. Quit being so defensive.If you read or at least skimmed through the articles you would've know that those artists are making a fraction of minimal wage. This implies they are trying to succeed financially, which is where the line between struggling artist and hobbyist is drawn.Besides that I can only say you are being disingenuous and using semantics to derail the argument, thus I do not take you seriously or at heart in this part.(Unless you can prove me that "hobbyists" make 6K a month with their own "hobby". Either way, the IRS taxes that regardless, so it is income whether you like it or not)>Anyway, back to the title - No, I wouldn't bother. You wouldn't even earn the money back you'd pay to turn your art into NFTs. That market has long since crashed. People don't want to purchase jpegs that are freely available otherwise.First of all, if it is Ethereum yes it would be hard to earn your money back due to the high fees...… except we have other, cheaper and more effective blockchains, such as Solana.Launching a 1/1 NFT (one of a kind piece, for example) costs less than 5 USD, including a permanent storage of the file (ArWeave, for example)So this type of argument hasn't been relevant since 2017-2018, sorry.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7143393And third of all>People don't want to purchase jpegs that are freely available otherwiseYou can own digital art, even before NFTs. It's called copyrights. NFT projects (not all, but some do) allow NFT owners to use the specific NFT's artwork for their own products.>Check pic. rel.Paradoxically you're telling me uncreative ways to monetize artwork, which is entirely a creative endeavor and craft.
>>7148105The problem is that as others have said -- no one is buying NFTs anymore. That market is pretty much dead.Could it get revitalized? Possibly? But highly unlikely. Everyone has done their rug pulls and left.While there might've been a few people genuinely buying NFTs for their artistic value at the start of the NFT hype train, majority of NFT purchases were in hopes that the value would increase over a few years. A promised wonderland where everyone on the planet wanted to buy and collect NFTs.This just isn't reality. Unless you're a prominent artist or influencer who is able to willingly scam and audience of people who trust you or you're in possession of some high quality meme that can capture the hearts of the delusional and lonely looking for the world's shittiest community, you're not going to be making bank. Again, the ship has sailed and seeing this post in 2024 made me double take that I hadn't traveled back in time.No one is stopping you from selling NFTs of your work. But considering you don't even have the confidence to post your own work here or even have the implication of a charismatic presence that can manipulate others -- I highly doubt it's worth your time or energy.
WAGMI
>>7147565what is it with these constant desperate attempts to get a "gotcha"?>you just need to shut up and submit to usand there you gothen they cry when people do the same to them.i just reported a loli account and one other acount for posting shota and i've received confirmation that they are under investigation.
MILF enojoyers
>>7147604The artist you just posted probably has drawn straight shota at one point
>>7147604>>7147438>>7147430>>7147419>>7147403genuinely disgusting images, you need to rope NOW.
>>7147607You know what's good
